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Saturday, November 17, 2007
posted by Justin Hart | 3:23 PM | permalink

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I think we should tread carefully with this "poll-gate".

I'm as anxious as the next guy to send the message religious bigotry isn't acceptable in presidential politics.

Wouldn't a push poll involve large numbers like thousands trying to turn the tide of popularity?

However i could find it somewhat reasonable that Romney could perhaps pro actively solicit people with the few typical anti-Mormon messages to find what the response is.

If this turned out to be a like a war-games type scenario, I for one would find it refreshing to hear a politician with proactive contingency plans. (other then Clinton's)

Of course scoring victim points fly's great in liberal circles but conservatives have no such stomach for it especially if they seem to be self inflicted.

anyway just a careful thought, we sure dont want mitt to get "brainwashed" out like his father

By Anonymous Anonymous, at November 17, 2007 8:11 PM  



posted by Justin Hart | 9:58 AM | permalink
Jonathan Martin has his updates here but it appears we’re the only one with a major source

I’ve communicated to my source at Western Wats on numerous occasions now. (see here and here )

He is a senior executive at the company. He is very tight lipped about the whole thing but notes the following:

  • The call could have been made at anyone of their locations (they have call centers in Utah, Idaho, Nebraska, Kansas)
  • They employ over 1500 people across the country and have dozens of projects happening at any given moment
  • They claim that they do not do push polling… rather their focus has been message testing. They do this for political campaigns and Fortune 500 companies to gauge the reaction to certain facts and pieces of information.
  • They don’t write the scripts. They don’t analyze the data. They have no stake in the end results.
  • In many cases they have no idea who the end client is. (this way they don’t taint the data one way or the other)
  • He indicated that he would love nothing more than a political entity to force their hand on this and reveal the client. But his hands are tied.
  • He believes that if the script is ever made available that the reaction will be “Is this all? that’s not a big deal.”
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I think it's ridiculous that Western Wats and other companies like them could say that they "do not do push polling" yet they also say that they "don’t write the scripts." If they don't write the scripts, then how do they know that their clients aren't going to just write a push poll? And if they are making sure that their clients don't write push polls, what happens if their client does write something that Western Wats considers to be a push poll? Wouldn't their input to help clients change their questions mean that they are helping clients “write the scripts?” I just don't see how they can have it both ways.

I've helped run a campaign before where my candidate was the victim of seriously negative push polling. We never quite confirmed exactly who had done the push polling against us. But the damage may have already been done none-the-less. The funniest part of the whole ordeal was that the wife of my candidate was still registered to vote under her maiden name and actually received one of these calls. Being politically savvy as she was, she took a lot of notes, and our campaign was able to a big deal of it.

Out of all of my theories on this, I'd discount Giuliani as culprit the most. He has the most to lose. And although, I see a lot of distain from John McCain toward Mitt Romney, I'd probably discount him second most. McCain doesn't seem to be at all opposed to attacking Mitt Romney himself, so I don’t think that he would see any need to do it in an underhanded manner. Fred Thompson might have been involved in it without even knowing it. Doesn't his wife just run his campaign however she wants anyway? Plus, since Thompson can't recall which pro-abortion groups he may have worked for in the past, he may not have any idea who's working for him either or what they are doing. So, I'll give Thompson the pass for being ignorant. Mike Huckabee is much more likely. And some of his jabs have seemed somewhat anti-Mormon to me. Or at least, he seems willing to do or say things that attempt to openly point out things that might be construed as divides between evangelicals and Mormons. The most likely culprit though, I believe could easily be an anti-Romney 527 or any anti-Mormon group that has a substantial amount of money. This could include groups led by Sandra Tanner or any other foaming-at-the-mouth anti-Mormons or possibly some other "Christian" group that is petrified at the thought of a Mormon in the White House. These anti-Mormon individuals and groups might think of political on a different level than the ABCs (Anybody But the Clintons). These people might be thinking ABMs (Anybody But Mormons).




Friday, November 16, 2007
posted by Justin Hart | 9:55 PM | permalink
UPDATE: Just spoke to my Western Wats source (a senior employee at the firm).
  • He said the notion that this is Romney-driven is “nonsense” and “ridiculous”.
  • He did not confirm or deny that the calls came from his firm.
  • His company employs 1500 people with centers is Idaho, Nebraska, Utah, and numerous other states.
  • He also indicated that this is being blown way out of proportion. He thinks if the details came out people would scratch their heads wondering what the big deal was.
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OK. So, let's review the last 24 hours:
That's where we are. In short,
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He thinks if the details came out people would scratch their heads wondering what the big deal was.

How would he know this if his company wasn't involved? Isn't this a tacit admission that they made the calls?



My guess is that a campaign (Huckabee?) hired Western Wats to conduct a legitimate survey (not a push poll) of message testing. I'm thinking he's gauging whether he ought to more overtly go after Romney and his religion. This will prove to be a misstep by him, but not dirty politics. It will still reflect badly on him even if it is just message testing. Just the fact that he his thinking about having a 527 attack Romney about his religion is a killer for his campaign.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at November 17, 2007 1:16 AM  


I'm so glad you are on top of this. When sites like Hot Air & others are running with speculation, getting to the truth quickly is imperative!

http://crotchetyoldbastard.com/blog/2007/11/somebody_has_some_splaining_to.html

Off to check out HH's post. Thanks!

Donna L.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at November 17, 2007 8:49 AM  


what a propagandist website this is! what a joke!

... i called an unnamed senior person! LOL~! they told me what i wanted to hear!

P.U.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at November 17, 2007 12:23 PM  


You really think a rival candidate is going to hire a Mormon-owned firm to do anti-Mormon push polling? This whole think sounds like a classic piece of political theatre aimed at making Romney look like the victim of religious bigotry. Romney knows that the Mormon issue is killing him, and he's increasing desperate to get it off the table.

This gambit not only didn't work, it's going to backfire.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at November 18, 2007 4:20 AM  


Mitt Romney is a racist, nationalist, and homophobic person who will set back our country to the ages of pre-civil rights. If he gets elected- i'm moving to Canada. Vote Obama or Hillary to save our country.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at December 2, 2007 2:27 PM  



posted by Timotheus | 9:01 PM | permalink
I was browsing the speech Giuliani was privileged (courtesy of Ted Olsen) to give to the Federalist Society. I am proud to be a member of the society. I have gone to many student and attorney events and I have generally found there are two types of Federalists. There are libertarian and there are conservative Federalists.

Interestingly enough, I found that I disagreed sometime more with libertarian Federalists than I did with some right leaning democrats. Why? Because while I thought it perfectly acceptable to pass laws through democratic processes related to social conservative issues, the libertarian members often opposed such laws. For example, while we might both agree that Roe v. Wade should be overturned as bad precedent, the libertarian was likely to oppose a state heavily restricting abortion (I realize there are libertarians who feel differently). Another example is the war on drugs. Generally, I found libertarian Federalists to oppose any drug laws where I supported them.

If Rudy Giuliani is a Federalist, he is surely a libertarian one, at best. Which is why when I was reading his speech, I wondered aloud how anyone could swallow one of the central claims of Rudy Giuliani's candidacy, that he can be trusted to appoint "conservative judges." Yes, that phrase "conservative judges" actually appears in the speech. But realize as well that Rudy has never clearly applied that label to himself.

So, I asked my search engine the magic question: "Rudy Giulaini history judges appointing." The first hit was a Politico article about Rudy's experience appointing judges in New York. Now, some people might say this is a different matter, but I think the article makes a good point of why all judicial appointments have consequences. Have a read, I think it is enlightening. And really, a bit of a shock to think that the promise to appoint a certain type of judge could possibly hold up a two legged stool.
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I also thought of another distinction between the conservative and libertarian Federalist. The libertarian will oppose judges redefining marriage, but the conservative will further argue that a constitutional amendment should be passed to preserve traditional marriage.




posted by Timotheus | 8:11 PM | permalink
Romney posted another strong Poll from Rasmussen Reports today from Iowa.

Romney 29%
Huckabee 16%
Giuliani 15%
Thompson 14%
John McCain 6%
Ron Paul 4%
Tom Tancredo 4%

When the three battling for second lose, I will find it funny when the one who loses the least claims victory. In my line of work, when the other side comes in second, someone goes to prison.
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posted by Justin Hart | 4:39 PM | permalink
I just spoke at length with a senior Western Wats employee about the situation.

I told him that there are numerous reports now on both sides of the battle. One claiming that opposing campaigns are behind these efforts another pointing to Western Wats employees contributing to Mitt and claiming this is an inside job to make Mitt's opponents look bad.

First, he wanted to impress upon me that Western Wats does not do push polling, rather they do message testing. (I think this distinction will be lost on most people.)

Here are the key takeaways from the interview:
  • Western Wats does not write these scripts
  • They do not analyze the data
  • They don't know the outcome of the analysis
  • Many times they don't know the end client at all
I asked him about the NH AG looking into the matter. He said, he hoped they would it would save him a lot of headaches. The short of it is this (IMHO): we won't get any answers until there's a official investigation to pry it out of the NDA-clenched hands.

Here are some near verbatim quotes:

"I have to act like any business. I am under NDA to all of our clients. If I violate this there are serious consequences."

"Believe me. There are 100 conversations I wish I could have in depth with people today."

"The primary thing we do here is conduct and survey research data via telephone and internet surveys. We don't write or design or analyze the results. We simply collect the data."

"Like any industry, the research market is highly specialized. We specialize in making the calls and the technology that goes on behind it"

"First thing to note, we are not the author of the work, we don't have a primary interest in how that data is used. Its used on Fortune 500 companies across the world and in political campaigns as well. When we do any kind of a survey we don't have a direct interest in the outcome."

"As to the donations. Its a pretty big company by our market standard. I wouldn't be surprised if other people had given to other candidates"

"You should also understand that if you went to any political polling strategist the candidate message is tested as part of that process. Good or bad or indifferent. They use it to sculpt messages, speeches and media."

"People don't understand that this is very different from push polling"

"As a company we often don't know who the client is."

He sent me a press release:
It has come to the attention of Western Wats that several stories in the press are circulating claiming Western Wats engages in a practice commonly referred to as “push polling.”

Western Wats has never, currently does not, nor will it ever engage in push polling.

Often we find there is confusion on the question of what is legitimate opinion survey research and what is commonly referred to as push polling. American Association of Public Opinion Researcher (AAPOR), has good definitional information on push polling
http://aapor.org/aaporstatementonpushpolls. Additionally, interested individuals may find an article which appeared in the Rothenberg Political Report on this topic to be of interest.

Western Wats is a survey research data collection firm which services the opinion survey research and marketing research industries. Western Wats does not design or determine the content of the surveys it operationalizes by telephone or over the Internet, nor does it analyze or use the data for its own purposes. Confidentiality agreements prohibit us from commenting on specific projects and/or clients.
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Nice interview guys. It sheds some good light on this subject.




posted by Kyle | 2:45 PM | permalink
With the latest about the anti-Mormon calls going around, several people have weighed in on what Romney's reaction should be. First, the Editors at NRO have some thoughts:
Nor should Romney denounce anti-Mormon bigotry. Accusing people who are so far withholding their votes of bigotry is not likely to persuade them to change their minds. Few people who oppose Romney because he is a Mormon are going to come around. Romney’s problem, and his opportunity, is a different group of people: those who are not hostile to Mormons but find Mormonism unfamiliar and strange.

They further suggest that Romney should give a speech, not like JFK's, but one saying that the unfamiliar and strange parts of Mormonism have no bearing on his ability to govern and that he still shares similar values.

I find it almost unbelievable that they suggest that Romney not denounce anti-Mormon bigotry. It's not that the people are withholding their vote that offends, as the editors suggest. It's the offensive and false slanders directed at Romney and his religious affiliation that warrant denouncement. Romney would find no occasion nor cause to decry a lack of votes due to hostility to Mormonism. Neither has Romney attempted to revile large segments of the electorate for apprehension towards him because of his faith. However, specific acts of ugly anti-Mormonism should be condemned clearly and unequivocally

In response to the Editors, Lisa Schiffren (at the Corner) says that Romney should go further than the Editors suggest:
It is not easy to spell out one's own religious views and how they compare and contrast to the standard doctrine of that religion in a speech. We voters are best off observing, over time — as the nation has done with, say, Senator Lieberman, whose very moderate Orthodoxy has made it easy for him to get along with both conservative Christians and less religious voters. But Romney is a serious possibility in this cycle. So, I personally think that letting us know more about his religious beliefs would be useful. Especially now that the anti-Mormon push polling has begun in New Hampshire and Iowa.

So the question is: Does the recent manifestation of anti-Mormonism directed at Romney merit Romney's deliverance of some sort of religious address? In my opinion, the answer is still no. An a-religious media is incompetent in religious matters. Thus, Romney's message would be placed in the hands of an unreliable messenger. Nor would the media be satisfied that Romney has laid the issue to rest, continuously second-guessing the effect of the speech or speculating about the reason(s?) that Romney excluded certain doctrines and included others.

Schiffren acknowledges as much, understanding that behavior teaches us more than any speech can. The goal, then, should be to inquire about Romney's past in order to learn about the man and his beliefs. Indeed this is what Paul Weyrich describes in an Op/Ed in the Washington Times convinced him to endorse Romney:
The issue here is simply this: Is Mr. Romney competent to be president of this great country? Indeed he is. Mr. Romney has the experience, vision and values to be president. He has spent most of his career in the private sector turning around companies and the 2002 Winter Olympics. He has actually met payrolls. How many of the other candidates running can match that? And, he successfully ran a very liberal state for four years by governing as a conservative.

And while I very much disagree with the theology of the Mormon Church, its principles have given him the ethical standards needed for an American president. Can anyone point to scandals connected with the governor?
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"So, I personally think that LETTING us know more about his religious beliefs would be useful."

What kind of hack is Lisa Schiffren? Letting us know?!? Is there anything preventing anyone curious about Romney's religion from finding out more? Have all the Mormon missionaries packed it in this year? Is Salt Lake City closed for the season? Have they borded up the churches? Is Romney the only Mormon anybody knows? Does running for President make him the spokesman for his church?




posted by Justin Hart | 8:15 AM | permalink
Update 2: I just spoke to the firm in question. They indicated that they do not do push polling. Rather they focus on "message testing". Whatever. They did not dent or confirm that they were the source of the calls in question. They are preparing a statement.


UPDATE: Some reports indicate that McCain is the culprit. McCain disputes this in a statement. Politico points the finger at Rudy but then recinds. News vans are outside the UTAH-based polling firm! What is going on!

Numerous sources are now reporting anti-Mormon push-polls running in New Hampshire and Iowa. Apparently, the call starts out ok and then delves into some nasty rhetoric:
Among the questions was whether a resident knew that Romney was a Mormon, that he received military deferments when he served as a Mormon missionary in France, that his five sons did not serve in the military, that Romney's faith did not accept blacks as bishops into the 1970s and that Mormons believe the Book of Mormon is superior to the Bible.

...

"The first 15 or 20 questions were general questions about the leading candidates," she said. "Then he started asking me very, very negatively phrased questions about Romney. The first one was would you have a more favorable, less favorable, blah, blah, blah, impression of Mitt Romney if you knew that his five sons had never served in the military and that he considered working on a presidential campaign as public service or some such question."

Hugh Hewitt says: If the campaign that used appeals to religious bigotry is identified, it will be over for that candidate.
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Land of the Free, Home of the Intolerant. Honestly, I don't think it is really based on religion entirely- it's simply a very good way, unfortunately, to scare the uninformed. And, in a battle like this, it takes a very little amount of doubt to counteract a very large amount of accurate information (like about how Mitt is the best candidate for the job). It's a scare tactic. Shameful, odious, and corrupt, but effective.




posted by Jeff Fuller | 1:43 AM | permalink
This is ugly folks.

Jeff Fuller
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Thursday, November 15, 2007
posted by Justin Hart | 8:55 PM | permalink
We've spoken on numerous occasions about the unique innovations that Romney has used to drive his campaign forward. Tonight, I spoke at the Leadership Institute's Internet Fundraising Forum... when I get back to my email I see that the Romney campaign has redefined fundraising once again.

One of the fundamental principles of fundraising is trust. How do I know (as a contributor) that you're going to use the money I give you in the right way. Well... now you know.

Introducing the Victory Fund. The Romney camp gives you the ability to buy an actual ad in a local early state market. (see graphic below)




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More links -- these ones for the State of Florida:

Contribute $160 to buy a 30-second radio ad in Fort Myers

Contribute $400 to buy a 30-second TV ad in Jacksonville

Contribute $525 to buy a 30-second TV ad in Tampa

Contribute $600 to buy a 30-second TV ad in Orlando

By Anonymous Anonymous, at November 16, 2007 6:18 AM  


There is a little syntax error in your links. the '&' symbol just before 'fid' should be a comma. Otherwise it will not serve the purpose of auto-filling the fid number.




posted by Kyle | 2:51 PM | permalink
...Marc Ambinder says that Huck takes a swing and whiffs:

To the roar of the crowd, ex-AR Gov. Mike Huckabee stepped up to the plate yesterday. A fast ball. Swing and a miss. Strike one.

Huckabee was asked to respond to the unflattering video of him "begging," in the words of the Romney campaign, the state legislature to raise taxes in 2003.

On Fox News, Huckabee said that he was following the will of the state Supreme Court, who had ordered the state government to pay more for education.

But the video clip in question showed Huckabee referring to a regular budget plan and had nothing to do with the state supreme court decision.

So -- about half of Huckabee's press coverage was positive -- Huckmentum -- and half of it was negative -- particularly the Fox News-Drudge-conservative blog half.

This wasn't an underhand pitch -- it wasn't a question about his weight loss, his guitar or his sense of humor -- it was about an issue that has the potential to trip him up.

Welcome to the big show.

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If Iowa goes Huck, as they now seem to be tending, they are all a bunch of fools - unless, they actually know what they are doing. They are bleeding Romeny and giving the election to Rudy.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at November 15, 2007 3:31 PM  


A vote for Huck is a vote for Rudy. If Huck takes Iowa, the Mitt strategy is in shambles. I hope team Mitt has a strategy to pull off a win here. Will Mitt's organization and GOTV effort on Jan. 3 be enough to win the caucuses?

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