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Wednesday, December 19, 2007
posted by Justin Hart | 10:00 AM | permalink
Jim G., Jonathan Martin, and Soren Dayton are talking up the Mormon factor in the upcoming primaries, particularly in Iowa.

Let me give you the Mormon perspective on all this. The 22,000 number being thrown around is a bit misleading but the impact of the Mormon vote can hardly be ignored.

Let's set the baseline semantics so we get things right here.
  • A Ward is the equivalent of a parish. Mormon congregations are organized strictly by geography. At any Mormon chapel you might pass there are typically 2 to 4 wards that meet there. So, for example, in my Virginia suburb of Ashburn there are 4 wards. We all meet in the same building on Sunday and throughout the week. Each ward is comprised of roughly 400-600 members. A Branch is a smaller congregation that you might find in remote areas or that caters to ethnic groups (for example, a "Spanish Branch").
  • A Stake comprises about 9-12 wards (Think of "tent stake"). This is the local leadership structure that helps with regional activities and needs.
  • Mormons will sometimes refer to "active" and "inactive" members. Wards and Stakes track the "activity rate" (% of the ward that regularly attend Sunday meetings). This can range between 40% and 70%. As I understand it Iowa activity rates are somewhere between 50% and 60%.
  • In Iowa there are 7 stakes; 35 wards; 32 branches with roughly 22,000 members.
  • Potential caucus goers? When you subtract the number of eligible voters (Mormons have a lot of kids), take a chunk away for "inactive" members, and the narrow down that group to registered voters you get about 10,000 potential caucus goers. But Mormons love football as much as the next guy (the Orange Bowl happens to be that night with Kansas playing) and even with "their guy" in the race I wouldn't expect a dramatic 90% turnout from the Mormon base.
  • Also, consider, this isn't a lockstep vote. I know plenty of Mormons who are die hard Ron Paul fans.
Bottom line: I expect no more than 3000 extra votes for Romney from the Mormon base in Iowa. Still, that's roughly 6% of overall caucus voters and could mean the difference the race the way things are shaping up.

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I tend to think of it the other way. Mormons aren't going to swing this one way or another. Romney either has to appeal to Iowans other than the Mormon ones, or he's sunk.

The good news is that Romney should appeal to a broad base of support both in the primary, and in the general election. Hopefully this translates into an Iowa win.

I suspect that the Romney campaign has already thought through strategies for if they come in second in Iowa.

One good thing to come out of the Huckabee surge has been this - the expectations are totally reset in Iowa. A few months back it was like - Romney is dead if he doesn't totally blow away the competition in Iowa. Now that Huckabee has eaten away at Rudy's support elsewhere, people are recognizing that things are in play for Romney even if he doesn't win Iowa, and that's a good thing.




Thursday, December 6, 2007
posted by Justin Hart | 2:19 PM | permalink
Did Romney accomplish his mission? Provided here (in my opinion) are the points he covered, and covered very well!



Item Excerpt

Call on the historical morality of the American Republic
"There are some who may feel that religion is not a matter to be seriously considered in the context of the weighty threats that face us. If so, they're at odds with the nation's founders, for they, when our nation faced its greatest peril, sought the blessings of the Creator. And further, they discovered the essential connection between the survival of a free land and the protection of religious freedom. In John Adams' words: 'We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion.' 'Our Constitution,' he said, 'was made for a moral and religious people.'

Point out the deep-rooted connection between freedom and religion
"Freedom requires religion just as religion requires freedom. Freedom opens the windows of the soul so that man can discover his most profound beliefs and commune with God. Freedom and religion endure together, or perish alone."


Affirm that religious leadership has no influence on policy

"Almost 50 years ago another candidate from Massachusetts explained that he was an American running for President, not a Catholic running for President. Like him, I am an American running for President. I do not define my candidacy by my religion. A person should not be elected because of his faith nor should he be rejected because of his faith.

"Let me assure you that no authorities of my church, or of any other church for that matter, will ever exert influence on presidential decisions. Their authority is theirs, within the province of church affairs, and it ends where the affairs of the nation begin.



Reassure Americans of a commitment to all groups

"As a young man, Lincoln described what he called America's 'political religion' – the commitment to defend the rule of law and the Constitution. When I place my hand on the Bible and take the oath of office, that oath becomes my highest promise to God. If I'm fortunate to become your President, I will serve no one religion, no one group, no one cause, and no one interest. A President must serve only the common cause of the people of the United States.



Strongly assert his own faith without qualification

"There are some for whom these commitments are not enough. They would prefer it if I would simply distance myself from my religion, say that it's more a tradition than my personal conviction, or disavow one or another of its precepts. That I will not do. I believe in my Mormon faith, and I endeavor to live by it. My faith is the faith of my fathers – I will be true to them and to my beliefs.

"Some believe that such a confession of my faith will sink my candidacy. If they're right, so be it. But I think they underestimate the American people. Americans do not respect believers of convenience. Americans tire of those who would jettison their beliefs, even to gain the world.



Ack
nowledge differences in the faiths

"There is one fundamental question about which I often am asked. What do I believe about Jesus Christ? I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and the Savior of mankind. My church's beliefs about Christ may not all be the same as those of other faiths. Each religion has its own unique doctrines and history. These are not bases for criticism but rather a test of our tolerance. Religious tolerance would be a shallow principle indeed if it were reserved only for faiths with which we agree.


Call on Article VI
"There are some who would have a presidential candidate describe and explain his church's distinctive doctrines. To do so would enable the very religious test the founders prohibited in the Constitution. No candidate should become the spokesman for his faith. For if he becomes President he will need the prayers of the people of all faiths.


"Common Creed"
"It's important to recognize that while differences in theology exist between the churches in America, we share a common creed of moral convictions. And where the affairs of our nation are concerned, it's usually a sound rule to focus on the latter – on the great moral principles that urge us all on a common course. Whether it was the cause of abolition, or civil rights, or the right to life itself, no movement of conscience can succeed in America that cannot speak to the convictions of religious people.


Decry the slide towards secularism
"Our greatness would not long endure without judges who respect the foundation of faith upon which our Constitution rests. I will take care to separate the affairs of government from any religion, but I will not separate us from 'the God who gave us liberty.'"


Call upon the common heritage of religious traditions across denominations.
"Nor would I separate us from our religious heritage. Perhaps the most important question to ask a person of faith who seeks a political office, is this: does he share these American values: the equality of human kind, the obligation to serve one another, and a steadfast commitment to liberty?

"They're not unique to any one denomination. They belong to the great moral inheritance we hold in common. They're the firm ground on which Americans of different faiths meet and stand as a nation, united."



Take a swing at big government while we're at it
"The consequence of our common humanity is our responsibility to one another, to our fellow Americans foremost, but also to every child of God. It's an obligation which is fulfilled by Americans every day, here and across the globe, without regard to creed or race or nationality.

"Americans acknowledge that liberty is a gift of God, not an indulgence of government.



The fruits of my faith are my family
"My faith is grounded on these truths. You can witness them in Ann and my marriage and in our family. We are a long way from perfect and we have surely stumbled along the way, but our aspirations, our values, are the self-same as those from the other faiths that stand upon this common foundation. And these convictions will indeed inform my presidency.


Contrast American faith with Europe's dwindling congregations
"I'm not sure that we fully appreciate the profound implications of our tradition of religious liberty. I've visited many of the magnificent cathedrals in Europe. They are so inspired, so grand, and so empty. Raised up over generations, long ago, so many of the cathedrals now stand as the postcard backdrop to societies just too busy or too 'enlightened' to venture inside and kneel in prayer. The establishment of state religions in Europe did no favor to Europe's churches. And though you will find many people of strong faith there, the churches themselves seem to be withering away.


Close with a great historical story
"Recall the early days of the First Continental Congress in Philadelphia, during the fall of 1774. With Boston occupied by British troops, there were rumors of imminent hostilities and fears of an impending war. In this time of peril, someone suggested that they pray. But there were objections. 'They were too divided in religious sentiments', what with Episcopalians and Quakers, Anabaptists and Congregationalists, Presbyterians and Catholics.

"Then Sam Adams rose, and said he would hear a prayer from anyone of piety and good character, as long as they were a patriot.

"And so together they prayed, and together they fought, and together, by the grace of God, they founded this great nation."

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I'll tell you this,, the USA and maybe even the world will regret the day that my man Mitt stepped down..He's the only man that could turn this nightmare we're heading towards around!! Now we have to take second best or worse...WHY ISN'T EVERYONE ASKING MIKE ABOUT HIS CHURCH,oh Yeah that's right he gets paid to preach..Mitt served in his chuch just like all LDS people do unpaid, it's not a job it's a service to Heavenly Father... ASK THE PREACHERS THAT GET PAID TO "PREACH WITHOUT, WITHOUT PAY" & GET A JOB TO SUPPORT THEIR FAMILY LETS SEE HOW MANY CHURCHES FOLD!!!!

By Anonymous Anonymous, at February 21, 2008 10:16 PM  



Wednesday, December 5, 2007
posted by Justin Hart | 4:43 PM | permalink
The co-chair of Fred Thompson's South Carolina campaign laid into Mitt's Mormonism on the eve of Romney's speech on religious liberties. Cyndi Mosteller, who has gotten in hot water previously for Mormon bashing, pulls no punches in an interview with the Palmetto Scoop:
TPS: Why do you think it is that Republicans, the previous issue aside, might be reluctant to support a Mormon president, such that Romney feels he needs to give a speech addressing just this issue?

CYNDI MOSTELLER: I think the doctrines of Protestantism, Catholicism and Judaism are so vastly different from the Mormon doctrine; from the concept of polygamy being the order of Heaven, to human man’s progression to godhead of other worlds, to the idea that Jesus had multiple wives, to the idea that, after the death of the last apostle, all of Christendom was in apostasy – with a capital “A” as the Church refers to it – until Joseph Smith discovered the golden plates in the 1830s. So I think it’s inconsistent with so many basic Christian doctrines and it’s very unusual to the point that it’s almost unbelievable. These concepts are things that are theologically beyond our orthodox imagination.
Orthodox imagination? Regardless of what Miss Mosteller believes about Mormons vs. Christianity (and she gets some Mormon doctrines and history FLAT WRONG in the interview), how does she make the leap from doctrinal disagreements to dissing Romney because he's not orthodox enough?

I suppose if I accused Catholics of "ritual cannibalism" I could put the traditional Mass in a bad light for anyone and diss Rudy.

If I accused Baptists of worshiping a disembodied God who is everywhere and nowhere at the same time I might be able to peel away a few members from the fold and stop people from voting for Huckabee.

I won't do this because its nonsensical and can only lead to one thing, the left dissing all of us:


Will the Thompson campaign condemn this?

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Yes, let's all start bashing each other's religion in the media. That would be exactly what Jesus would do. I suppose that since Thompson's campaign is pretty much dead, he may not mind trying to take someone down with him. It will be interesting to see if he apologizes or not.



"...Jesus had mulitple wives"? You've got to be kidding me?! There is NO WHERE in LDS Doctrine about this! PERIOD!

Talk about making things up about other people's religions and their beliefs....she is outragious!

Furthermore, polygamy is NOT the order of Heaven in LDS Doctrine! What a looney this woman is!

By Anonymous Jacosta, at December 5, 2007 5:55 PM  


As an Evangelical AND an avid Mitt Romney supporter, I would like to add that the cartoon pic at the end is un-called for. Just as it's unfair for Evangelicals to ridicule Mormons, it's also unfair for Mormons to ridicule Evangelicals.

By Anonymous Bryton Hiatt, at December 5, 2007 9:18 PM  


Bryton, did you read the post? The context of the cartoon is that if Evangelicals rip on Mormons in a political context it will only give fodder for these kinds of cartoons.

In fact, this is precisely the thesis of Hugh Hewitt's book A Mormon in the White House? People who disqualify Mormons exclusively because of a religious test should beware. The rhetorical weapons they legitimize by excluding Romney because of his faith will be used in short order by the secular left against their political legitimacy because of their 'strange' faith.

This cartoon is an example of the inconsistency of the position, and the inevitability of this blowback that will happen from the left.




posted by Justin Hart | 2:05 PM | permalink
9:30 AM Texas time / 10:30 AM EST

The Romney speech will probably be broadcast on many of the major cable news channels. You can also watch it live streaming on http://www.mittromney.com.

Alternately, if you're on the road you can call in for the audio:

Phone Number For Listen-Only Program Feed: 866-866-2244
Participant Code: 9411758

Of course, be sure you tune in to MyManMitt.com for live coverage of the event.

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I'm very, very nervous about this speech. Sometimes I see it as a no-win situation. Other times I envision Mitt "hitting one out of the park." I hope he does well.




Monday, November 5, 2007
posted by Justin Hart | 6:49 AM | permalink
Just a quick plug for myself (a dubious approach to be sure... but I like the attention).

Over the weekend, American Thinker (Rush Limbaugh's favorite website) published an article which I penned. In it, I note the significant "thaw" that has taken place between Evangelicals and Mormons. Here's a quick excerpt:
In 2004, hundreds of Mormons crowded into the Provo Tabernacle and listened intently as the speaker, who was not a member of the LDS faith, declared: "We have sinned against you."

Was this Bryant Gumbel apologizing for belittling the BYU Cougar's 1984 NCAAF title? Was it Jim McMahon asking forgiveness for consistently sitting on the Wyoming stands for BYU homecoming games? No, it was noted evangelical scholar Richard J. Mouw, President of the Fuller Theological Seminary.

In the rush of news articles handicapping Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney's presidential aspirations is an unnoticed but significant thaw in the troubled relations between Evangelicals and Mormons.
Read the whole thing here.

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Wednesday, June 13, 2007
posted by Jon | 6:46 PM | permalink

I know I’m a late-comer in reviewing Blogfather Hugh’s most recent book “A Mormon in the White House?: 10 Things Every American Should Know about Mitt Romney”. With the way my life works, or doesn’t work, I don’t really have time to read much. Most of the books I consume are recorded – they make commuting much less dull.

But before I get to my book review, let me present for you some of my “Street Cred” so you’ll understand from which vantage point I’m coming from. First off, I’ve been listening to Blogfather Hugh for a long time. I’m not one of his KFI Eagles, but I caught his show shortly after he launched his KRLA morning program. He was my main source of information on the morning of September 11, 2001 and I’ve been with him ever since. My one claim to fame on the Hugh Hewitt Show is being the author of The Jimmy Malone Theory of International Relations. If you know what that is, congratulations. The Hewitt Radio Juggernaut has yet to penetrate my home market, so I’m part of his podcast audience – thus his “Evening Grace” is always my “Morning Glory”. I don’t mind because I can listen to his three-hour broadcast in about an hour and a half. Shhh. Don’t tell his advertisers.

Now to the Mormon question. Yes, I’m a Mormon – have been my entire life. I served a mission in Brazil a long time ago. Since then I’ve held multiple church callings (sometimes several at once) and am currently married with children. I know my doctrine well enough to tell if someone is making a valid argument or whether they’re just parroting what they read from the latest anti-Mormon tract or heard at the latest barn-burning.

Enough about me, on to the book.

Blogfather Hugh writes a tightly woven, well documented description of Mitt Romney that focuses on the entire package and not just the religious aspect of his candidacy. Hugh knows his stuff because he does his research. He carefully chronicles Mitt’s formative years in Michigan, his college experiences at Stanford, BYU, and finally Harvard, and details his personal, professional, and political life in the years leading up to his run for the Oval Office. In all of his details, I found few flaws – none of them very important. Hugh miscounted the number of Romney grandchildren, exaggerating the total by one. Knowing the prolific nature of Mormons, I’m pretty sure Hugh’s arithmetic error will be a self-correcting one. The other error, again not important, was Hugh’s description of Mormon missionaries as wearing white shirts and black ties. For the record, I do not now, nor have I ever owned a black tie. Missionaries are permitted to make their own choice in neckwear – within reason. Some make good tie choices. Some wear ties that look like they shot a 50 year old couch and stripped off the fabric. Again, an unimportant error.

Where the Mormon religion is discussed – and the subject does take a good portion of the book – Blogfather Hugh does something few other authors do when confronted with daunting task of writing about a religion of which they are not part. Needing a source for the fundamental beliefs unique to Mormonism, Hugh went to a man he considered to be a reliable, well reasoned, and well spoken Mormon. Rex E. Lee, former Solicitor General of the United States and former President of Brigham Young University, wrote a book entitled “What Do Mormons Believe?” Lee’s work gives the basics in an easy to understand manner and the quotes chosen by Hugh did a great job of explaining the historical details of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Hugh did not attack the Mormon belief structure, nor does he show any signs of joining the LDS Church. He simply laid out the facts as he saw them. This is a far cry from what most journalists and erstwhile reporters do because conventional wisdom dictates that Mormons talking about Mormonism won’t sell books, magazines, or newspapers because there are no fireworks. As documented here at B4M, Article VI, and other similar blogs, most people writing about Mitt and his Mormon roots will waste little time before jumping off the proverbial cliff into polygamist ancestors and the Mountain Meadows Massacre. Sensationalistic subjects of centuries past matter far more to the average journalist than does a lifetime of success in the private and public sectors. Mitt has to answer about the events of September 11, 1857, but his views on the dangers of the spread of radical Islam aren’t newsworthy. Why that kind of logic makes sense to anyone is beyond me.

Mitt Romney is an exceptionally smart and phenomenally successful businessman with a proven political track record on every issue which really matters to conservatives, republicans, and every American. He also just happens to be Mormon. To some people the Mormon question overshadows every other aspect about Mitt. That is a truly sad state of affairs in a country whose founding document both guarantees Freedom of Religion and specifically forbids a “religious test” for public office.

When the Prophet Joseph Smith was questioned as to what members of his faith believed, he penned what came to be known as the Thirteen Articles of Faith. These basic tenets of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints make up the foundations of the Church. The eleventh of the thirteen articles reads:

We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may. (Emphasis Added)

Wouldn’t it be nice if everybody involved in this debate could abide by that admonition? Yes, Mr. Pastore, I’m talking to you.

This election cycle is full of candidates from the left, right and fringes on both sides. The winnowing process will refine the field rather quickly and the fringe kooks on both ends of the spectrum won’t last long. At the time of this writing, Mitt has a better than average shot at running the table in Iowa, New Hampshire, and South Carolina. If the stars align properly and Mitt ends up with the nomination to run against Hillary, America will have a real choice before her.

Anyone who questions whether Mitt’s Mormonism should be a factor in his White House run should read Blogfather Hugh’s book. He has no axe to grind other than he wants a Center-Right Republican in the White House. As for myself, I’m a charter member of the Al Davis Republican Caucus. In other words, “Just Win, Baby”.

There are rumored reports of a host of evangelical Christians who are said to be unwilling to vote for a Mormon in any circumstance. I, for one, believe any Republican candidate would be vastly superior to another Clinton presidency. I just happen to think that of the current crop of Republicans, Mitt has the best background, intellect, and skill set for the Big Chair. That he sings from the same hymnbook that I do, while allowing for easy harmonization, is fundamentally unimportant to me. That’s how the Founders set it up, and I think they had principally sound judgment in doing so.

Well done, Blogfather.

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What a wonderful review!!! I haven't had time to read the book yet, but you're making me even more excited than I was before! Thank you for taking the time to write all of this out. I need to go buy the book. Have you read Turnaround? I haven't read that one either yet, but I want to!

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I think Mormons contribute to the haze regarding their beliefs. I wish they were more forth-coming instead of trying to sound like run-of-the-mill evangelicals. For example,proclaiming Jesus is the Son of God but hiding their belief that He is one of many gods and by the way we're hoping to be gods too. That additional information kind of changes things. Believe what you want, but be up front about it. That's why people like me have a problem with Brother Mitt. He has that Mormon tendency to adjust his foundational beliefs based on new revelation. Upon further review.....

By Anonymous Anonymous, at June 13, 2007 10:34 PM  


Hey anonymous,

This is about politics--not religion. Nobody is intentionally increasing the "haze level" in the room relative to Mormonism. Look into Mitt's church if you wish. Then, join it or leave it alone. Let others focus on important things. Geez!



Hugh and many other Christians have found natural ways to align w/ Mitt, despite theological differences w/ him. It's really not that hard to do. You need to discuss these issues w/ heavyweights such as David French et al. at evangelicalsformitt. They've got healthy positions on the Mormon issue and still manage very well w/ respect to their own faith.

The growing number of Christians (and non-Christians) aren't going to go to HELL for supporting this Mormon. In fact, they'll likely be safer, more prosperous, and more proud as Americans w/ Mitt sitting in the "big chair."



I would like to respond to Anonymous. His/her understanding about Christ being just one of many Gods does not reflect LDS doctrine.
1. God is our Father. He will always be so - he will always be our God, no matter what our future potential.
2. Jesus is our Saviour - through his atonement we receive the grace necessary to return to our Father.
3. CS Lewis describes our potential in a way that would resonate with any Latter_day Saint, in Mere Christianity. Paraphrasing, "Gods wants us to become gods, reflecting His light as He transforms us." Note the small "g".
4. We know precious little about other worlds and other Gods. Moses chapter 1 gives a glimpse, and early leaders expounded their thoughts. It is the logical extension of the concept that God wants us to become like Him. However, the key principle is that God will always be our God, that it is through Christ's atonement and the workings of the Holy Spirit that we are lifted from our carnal state into the state God would bring us to.
Beautiful doctrine. It is unclear to me why other Christians resist it so much.
BTW - as a British member of the church I am following this critical election for the wellbeing of the world, and hope with all my heart that Mitt makes it.



Just read Turnaround, it was my husband's father's day gift but he couldn't wait either so he's reading it now. I could care less about business concepts, but I still found the book a fascinating, even enlightening read. I appreciate Mr. Romney's unapolgetic expectation that anyone that deals with him have integrity and understand the concept of loyalty. My husband is locked into the book because he is into the budget talk and business concepts. We wish we could see the Olympics again now we have greater insight into the miracle the Games were. Great read all around.

By Anonymous Anonymous, at June 14, 2007 4:41 PM  



Tuesday, June 5, 2007
posted by Justin Hart | 11:19 AM | permalink
Frank Pastore's most recent piece on Townhall.com begs the ultimate question: Can I be elected town dog catcher? Why not you ask? Well for one very good reason: I'm a Mormon. You see for Pastore when there is a "conflict between the moral and the legal, the moral must trump."

Apparently, it may just be immoral to vote for a Mormon.

Pastore creates some interesting hypotheticals. For example, he won't vote for a "slanderer of Christianity" -- Of course, that would imply some type of action or behavior on the part of the candidate. No, for Pastore, no action or behavior is necessary: "The issue is not Romney the man, but Mormonism the religion." Wait, it's not Mormonism per say, it's Joseph Smith: "Since Joseph Smith so clearly misrepresents the person and work of Jesus Christ" No wait, it's the Book of Mormon which is "antithetical to the Bible." Pastore tries again again to pinpoint the problem and questions aloud: "why would it be bigotry if someone chooses not to support such heresy?"

This begs another question: does voting for a Mormon constitute voting for heresy? He finally gets to the actual concern he has at the very end of his article: Pastore believes that "public criticism of Mormonism will be chilled" if Romney is elected.

So, to summarize, Pastore believes that Mormoism is heresy, that behavior and character is trumped by doctrinal disagreements, and that Romney is fine but his election would be bad for Pastore's brand of faith because he couldn't bash Mormonism. Did I get that right?

Ken Jennings, Mormon propagandist

Does this only apply to the President? How about the Senate Minority Leader? Should Senator Hatch be removed from the judiciary committee? Should Christians rally against Ken Jennings because he makes Mormons look smart?

Can Pastore point to a single Mormon doctrine that would disqualify Romney from office? Something concrete and decisively egregious that would have all Christians block the road the 1600 Penn. Ave.? Or, in the words of Evangelical scholar Richard Mouw, are you a "bellicose theological terrorist."?

Hugh Hewitt points out that the serious anti-Mormon articles questioning Romney's fitness for office have come from the left. Kevin McCullogh and Mike Gallagher are coming dangerously close to breaking that monopoly. I think Frank Pastore just did.

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5 Comments:


Thank you for addressing that bigoted article. The amount of hatred spewed in the comments section was incredible as well. The logic and arguments were so shallow and hateful it was incredible. I'm surprised someone from his religion doesn't say, "Hey, now, they're not the devil. They believe different things, but they're not horrible people. If Mitt has the same values as I do, that's all that matters." At least he was honest in saying that he didn't want Mitt to win because that would mean he couldn't be openly bigoted towards mormons and mormonism!



These people need to be asked which religions are "acceptable" in a public servant. Would they prefer an Atheist over a Mormon? How is it Christian to vote against somebody who advances the real and tangible causes important to Christians?
If we are to judge people by their fruits and these writings are their fruit, they are in big trouble (especially McCullogh).

By Anonymous GeorgiaMom, at June 5, 2007 11:59 AM  


It has been said that the greatest power for Chritianity to change the hearts and minds of the world to follow the teachings of its Master will be when Christians as a whole live the teachings of "love thy nieghbor as thyself", "judge not that ye be judged", "remove the mote from your eye...", etc. Should we not be celebrating our moral commonality as Christians? When someone stands for what is right regardless of their faith we must stand with them. Such hatred among faiths results in what is happening in Irag and of course has been the cause of countless wars and suffering. If you want to convert me to your faith first begin by living it. Attacking other faiths is not what was taught by the Master of Christianity.



I think Dan nailed it. Thanks for the inspiring words, I hope that Mitt responds this way if someone is bigoted and disrespectful.



Can Pastore point to a single Mormon doctrine that would disqualify Romney from office?

That's easy. The Book of Abraham and official statements made by the First Presidency in 1949 and 1969 state that Blacks were cursed collectively as descendants of Cain and Ham and individually because of their behavior in the premortal existence. These statements have never been rescinded. Obviously, a person who has supported and promoted an organization with an ideology of racial supremacy is ethically disqualified for consideration for president of the US given the history of race relations in this country.

Add the sexism and homophobia contained in the Proclamation on the Family and Romney is even less qualified to stand for election.




Thursday, May 24, 2007
posted by Justin Hart | 3:47 PM | permalink
Justin Hart Mission Poland
Elder Hart (circa 1992) on my mission in Poland. The two gentleman are not Mormon converts (or prospects for that matter). They are, shall we say, not thirsty. Note: this picture was taken at 1:00PM in the afternoon
Wow! A non-hit piece from a leftist rag about Mitt Romney and Mormonism. Will wonders never cease!

Noam Scheiber in The New Republic has an excellent piece entitled: "How missionary work trains Mormons to stump for Mitt" (subscription req'd) comparing the canvassing approach of modern politics to the experience that many Mormons get on a mission (full disclosure here, I'm a member of the LDS Church).

I was holding my breath reading the article waiting for some asinine line about Mormon underwear and authoritarian rule from the secret room in the Salt Lake City Temple... happily it never came.

Here are some key graphs:
There's no question that the enthusiasm of affluent Mormons is a huge boost for Romney. The former Massachusetts governor could not have solidified his first-tier status without his impressive fund-raising haul, and the haul would not have happened without his Mormon base. But, then, as the Romney campaign never hesitates to point out, this kind of advantage is hardly unheard of in presidential politics. Michael Dukakis tapped the wallets of affluent Greek-Americans in 1988; Joe Lieberman benefited from outsize Jewish donations in 2004.
This is accurate. Just as Rudy Giuliani will draw from Italians, Obama from African Americans and John McCain from traderous RINOs (j/k)...
Romney's Mormonism does, however, confer at least one truly unprecedented advantage--one that could be decisive in a closely contested primary. It derives from an aspect of the Mormon community that the press has largely underplayed: the vast grassroots organizing potential of thousands of highly-disciplined young missionaries.
OK... just so Erik Erickson doesn't get plastered by Hugh again... let me make this absolutely clear. Noam is not saying that Mormon missionaries will be canvassing for Mitt but that the experience they gain on a mission is akin to political grassroots activities and that return-missionaries (RMs as Mormons call them sometimes) will make great ground troops for Mitt.

Once more for emphasis: NO MORMON MISSIONARY WILL BE HITTING THE PAVEMENT FOR MITT. If fact, I suspect that the LDS Church will give explicit instructions to missionaries to avoid discussion altogether about the subject.

Back to TNR:
The Mormon Church is somewhat vague with the details of missions, so I've relied on two Mormon sources to get a sense of how the process works. (Some of the particulars may have changed since they served in the 1990s, but the broad thrust should be the same.) The typical mission begins with a three-week training course at the aptly named Mission Training Center in Provo, Utah. There, the Mormons receive a crash course on the missionary lifestyle and the rudiments of spreading the good word.

Arguably the most important skill they acquire in this regard is how to get in the door, and the trainees hone this skill through extensive role-playing. For example, they are taught to search for common ground with potential converts--everything from their taste in cars or pets to their religious worldview. "Take the belief in Jesus Christ," says one of the former missionaries. "We might have different beliefs about Him, but most people do believe in some sort of Supreme Being, they have ideas about that. You build on that, go from there." It's not so different from the way a canvasser might seek a connection with a voter over, say, a shared interest in the environment.

There are roughly 100 regional missions in the United States (out of about 340 worldwide), each of which is divided into several zones of about 20 missionaries, with each zone subdivided into three or four districts. Upon arriving at his or her mission, a young Mormon will meet with the mission president--usually a respected member of the Mormon community called to serve a three-year term--who assigns the missionary to a district. Once there, he or she will be paired with a more experienced partner--called a "companion"--who functions as an on-the-job trainer. Most missionaries work twelve hours a day, six and a half days a week. They live on small stipends, in Spartan quarters--secondhand furniture, no TVs or computers--and dine on such extravagances as cereal and peanut butter. The Church allows them to call home exactly twice a year: on Christmas and Mother's Day. Rejection is overwhelmingly the most common feature of their existence.

Veterans of early primary states like Iowa and New Hampshire often speak in the obscure shorthand of "ones," "twos," and "threes." Ones refer to the voters who are solidly with your candidate. Twos are people who are either leaning that way or are altogether undecided. Threes are people who support your opponent. The job of the organizer is to convert all the twos to ones and to keep the ones from backsliding. The total number of ones at any given time is known as the campaign's "hard count." (Tellingly, Trippi constantly complained that the Dean campaign lacked a meaningful hard count.)

It turns out that Mormon proselytizing is remarkably similar to corralling voters in this respect. In effect, the missionary's universe also consists of ones (the people firmly on track to be baptized as Mormons, known as the "baptizing pool"), twos (people open to converting but who haven't entirely made up their minds, called the "teaching pool"), and threes (people who slam doors in their faces--i.e., the vast majority). As in politics, the twos receive the most attention. The Mormon technique for winning over metaphysical undecideds involves asking a person to make a series of gradually escalating commitments. After the first encounter, the missionary might ask them to read a passage in the Book of Mormon and pray about it. Over time, the missionary will petition the prospect to abstain from cigarettes, alcohol, and out-of-wedlock sex. (The canvasser, by contrast, will usually settle for convincing someone to display a yard
Really good stuff and altogether accurate. Of course if you read Hugh Hewitt's book this would be old hat.

More on this soon...

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