On the abortion question, Fred Thompson has so far managed to gain the trust of pro-lifers without actually saying anything about either principle or policy—what specifically he believes, or what kind of laws or rules he might support or oppose...Today’s NY Times story makes it pretty clear the facts are true—which should make us worry about the Thompson team’s (though, to be sure, never the Senator’s himself) original adamant denial. It also probably means Thompson’s “my client, not me” line won’t be enough. This was lobbying work, not legal work, which means those 22 conversations with the group involved advice about how to fight the Bush (41) administration’s rule.
Given the withering scrutiny Romney has endured for his flip-flopping, you'd think the Thompson camp would be extra careful on these things. Even successful campaigns have a few mishaps. But this will (and should) raise questions as to whether Thompson is ready for prime time.
The story itself is rather innocuous; that his first instinct was to lie about it, though, says something about the man’s character. My guess is that this won’t seriously damage his candidacy. After all, most people think “lying politician” is redundant. Still, to the extent that Thompson’s appeal is that he’s not a professional politician, this hurts.
I posted below under the title, "Fred Thompson: Abortion Lobbyist". I came in as "anonymous" but I blog as "Conservative Gladiator".
I am conservative (socially, economically, and militarily) and I am Republican - in that order. In the primaries things are clearing up for me as to how things are working in the GOP.
It's obvious to me that we need a True Convervative to push a truly conservative agenda.
I am so utterly disgusted at the hypocrisy of the GOP media elite and their differences in treatment between Guiliani and Thompson which is very tepid compared to their treatment of Mitt Romney.
There is no question in my mind that many of these GOP insiders in the media have made as much an issue of "flip flopping" on Romney's part as the MSM has, and yet when it comes to Rudy and Fred Thompson there's hardly a blip from them except only to ask the question, "why were they not ready for this?" That doesn't matter as much as, "how do you handle this?" Obviously Fred Thompson lied about his ties to abortion lobbying which shows he doesn't know how to handle it. Yet here they are sticking by him.
I'm eager to see how much damage control comes. Not from the Thompson Presidential "exploratory" Committee, which is expected, but the damage control that comes from the GOP media elite, which you wouldn't expect something like that but for me, I've have witnessed their weaknesses many times already. From them we've already seen the "light" reporting and scrutiny of Rudy and his liberal social stances on abortion and gay rights. Many have stated that his views are "acceptable" in light of the fact that we need someone tough on terror.
The GOP media elite to me are the ones to watch.
You want another example of this groups' weakness? Go back to the 2006 GOP election debacle, there's no question in my mind that you couldn't tell between a Democrat and a Republican in terms of actions. The problem was that Republican pols came off as the hypocrites because as it came to pass, we weren't doing the things we'd always preached about. But it wasn't the GOP as a whole that fueled the fire. I percieved that the GOP media insiders had as much to do with 2006 as the GOP pols did because they tried to cover who they perceived as strong and when they saw problems they ran and sided with the MSM rather than rally for conservative principles as still the better option even if the person was flawed. They didn't know how to re-position a defense for conservative principles. They instead ran to the MSM and discuss the individual rather than the principle. People in the end voted against the person which I don't blame them for but while there was much to be embarrassed about there still were those worth fighting for like George Allen, Rick Santorum, and others. In the end they left the true conservatives to fend for themselves and they lost.
Again, to think that Thompson or Rudy as a conservative contender is stronger than Romney belittle's my intelligence. With Romney the GOP media elites have all of the ammo in his conservative agenda that they can ever want to use against the Dems yet they still try and back a socially liberal Republican, and one who already is starting to lie about his past dealings all in the name of "electability" in the general election.
Yes, Thompson lied, let's not mess around here like we're very serious about Romney being a Flip Flopper. To the GOP media elites, let's either be even handed or equally protective of all of the GOP candidates or rally behind the ones that are truly conservative with a truly conservative agenda strong in all aspects of military, economy, and social values.
I'm still waiting to see who this group is going to rally behind. My guess is that they're too smart for us and they're going to stick with Fred until he announces and when the going gets tough for Fred I think that they'll start scrambling and looking at Rudy again but, to not look like they're purposely avoiding Romney they may start writing articles about Newt needing to come back regardless of his baggage.
I don't think that the GOP media elites have the stomach or the conservative muscle and stamina to push back against the MSM with Romney as the conservative standard bearer even though he has the best chance against Hillary and Obama to win with a stronger conservative agenda for America.
It's time to start putting this group to the fire regarding strong conservative principles and being for that instead of being for who they think has a chance in the general election.
Robert Novak NRO - All of them. Fred Barnes Bill Kristol Charles Krauthammer Cal Thomas Rich Lowry Tucker Carlson and every other GOP media member that's good enough to have their own columns and be on a round-table but not good enough to have their own shows.
There are several GOP media elites. Talk radio celebs are there--the bigger the name the more "elite." Also, groups like "Focus on the Family" and the "Family Research Council."
Conservative Gladiator is right in one regard--these people are giving Fred and Rudy a pass. Rush responded to the Fred abortion-lobbyist story by discrediting it as NYT propoganda. Hannity has proven to be a big apologist for Fred as well (though he would probably do the same for any GOP politician that he liked, Mitt included).
Focus on the Family & the Family Research Council have also shown themselves as being silently in Fred's camp, criticizing Mitt for non-stories (Marriott) and writing articles to defend Fred (after the initial LA Times article).
Why are they doing this? I think it's obvious. It isn't about not wanting a true conservative. They deeply want a true conservative that shares their Christian values. However, these people are so uncomfortable w/the Mormon faith that they delude themselves into accepting men w/very shaky character over the clearly superior candidate because, silently, they are religious bigots.
However, I honestly believe that before January 2008 they will overcome their silent anti-Mormon stance and shift toward Mitt in the interest of our nation. Hopefully this happens sooner rather than later.
Slick-Willy You offer a very interesting and quite rational analysis. I have been thinking that some of these leaders, self-appointed mostly, do not have a lot of faith in US. I guess since they have been preaching to US that WE are BETTER than Mormons, they suspect we may not vote for one. It is so disgusting I can barely stand to think about it anymore. This must be what it was like in the South in the 1940s and before.
Jumping in here just fyi. I live very close to a Christian family, and a Mormon family. Here is what I have noticed: The Christian Family spends a lot of time telling me I'm going to hell. They have never invited me over, and from the front porch I can't see any pictures of Jesus. They go to church for an hour each Sunday, then come home and wash the car, order pizza, and gossip with another neighbor about the Mormons. The Mormon family has four paintings of Christ in their three downstairs rooms. I've been to dinner and lunch with them, and they always pray "In the name of Jesus Christ" -even the three-year-old prays. They go to church for three hours on Sunday, and several times during the week. They do "humanitarian projects" all the time. I've never heard them gossip about anybody. The kids volunteer to help out with anything they see needs doing. I asked the Christian wife why she yells not only at her kids, but mine, and she said, "Christians aren't perfect, we're just forgiven." She says that a lot. Another favorite one she says is, "Do as I say, not as I do." The Mormons, well, they are always doing things together, and doing things for others, which, at least from what I learned in Vacation Bible School, was what a Christian was supposed to do. I don't know about Mitt, but if he's Mormon and not ashamed to say it outloud after all the redicule he gets on sites like these, I'd say he's a better person than me. Personally, I think voting for or against someone based on their personal beliefs is just silly. I'm looking at their record.
I want to start off by saying that I am generally satisfied with the Republican candidates for president. They are people with whom I find a lot of common ground and would vote for long before any of the Democratic contenders.
Still, there are issues that trouble me about each candidate. I've talked before about some of my qualms about McCain, most recently in discussing McCain-Feingold. Today, there is one question that still plagues me about Rudy Giuliani: How?
Giuliani's position on abortion has been well documented and I have explained the fallacy of his constitutional reasoning for supporting taxpayer funding of abortions. More recently Giuliani has argued that he will increase adoptions and decrease abortions. It is one of his now famous "twelve commitments". Giuliani has repeated the statistics from his tenure as mayor evidencing that phenomenon in New York.
Which brings me back to my question: How? What is it that will accomplish these two goals? What policies resulted in the success in New York? Or was it purely coincidence that took place during Giuliani's How will that work on the national stage? I assume that Giuliani will explain as he gets through fleshing out his twelve commitments, but count me skeptical right now.
Mostly I find myself skeptical because the two issues do not necessarily correlate. Increasing adoptions does not necessarily decrease abortions. Conversely decreasing abortions does not necessarily translate into more adoptions. Thus, trying to merge the two issues confuses the listener.
Which brings me to a reason why I support Mitt. We have seen Mitt defend life. He understands the role that a strong executive can play in reducing abortions. It's not just through strict constructionist judges. It's not just through personal opposition. It is through the full exercise of executive powers. Right now Mitt understands and advocates that. Rudy does not.
Below are Governor Romney's excellent remarks at the National Right To Life Convention. (In other new, who is the one candidate to not make an appearance at this event?)
This speech is a powerful defense of the life movement.
"Thank you Carol. We appreciate your many years of dedicated service to the cause of life.
"I was honored to accept your invitation to address the National Right to Life convention.
"I am humbled to be standing among the many who have toiled for the pro-life movement for so long, when I arrived at this place of principle only a few years ago.
"I appreciate the decades of dedication and the effective advocacy of people like Jim Bopp, the Special Adviser to my campaign on life issues.
"I know that it is not time but conviction that unites us.
"I proudly follow a long line of converts – George Herbert Walker Bush, Henry Hyde, and Ronald Reagan to name a few.
"I am evidence that your work, that your relentless campaign to promote the sanctity of human life, bears fruit.
"Consider the double standard at work here, by the way. When a pro-life figure changes to pro-abortion, they get praised for their courage. But when someone becomes pro-life, the pundits go into high dudgeon.
"And so, I am humbled but also grateful to be welcomed so warmly by so many with whom I share a common dedication.
"Anyone here from the pro-life community in Massachusetts knows they were always welcome in my office when I was Governor. Together we worked arm in arm.
"I can promise you this – you will be welcomed, and we will work together, if I'm fortunate enough to be elected President.
"People often ask me how a conservative Republican such as myself could have been elected in Massachusetts. I tell them that there were three things that helped account for my improbable victory.
"First, the state was in a fiscal crisis. A meltdown, of sorts. State government couldn't get budgets done on time. Another big tax hike looked like it was on the way. I promised to balance the budget without raising taxes. And together with the legislature, that's what we did. We eliminated a $3 billion shortfall. And by the time I left, my surpluses had replenished the rainy-day fund to over $2 billion.
"Second, we were in an economic crisis. Massachusetts was losing jobs every month and our citizens were afraid of losing more. I went to work to bring employers back to our state. By the end of the recession, we added 60,000 new jobs. We got our economic development act together – which explains much of the economic growth that the Commonwealth continues to experience even today.
"And third, we were in the beginnings of a cultural crisis. Social values also played a role in my campaign success. My opponent said she would sign a bill that would sanction same sex marriage. I said that I would oppose gay marriage and civil unions. My opponent favored bilingual education. I did not. I said that to be successful in America, children need to speak the language of America. And my opponent wanted to lower the age of consent for an abortion from 18 to 16 – and I did not.
"And so, social conservatives, many of them Democrats and Independents, joined fiscal conservatives to elect a Republican.
"That being said, I had no inkling that I would find myself in the center of the battlefield on virtually every major social question of our time.
"The first battle came when the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court, by a one vote majority, found a right to same sex marriage in our constitution. John Adams wrote that constitution. I'm sure he'd be surprised.
"The Court said that traditional marriage – the natural union of one man and one woman – 'is rooted in persistent prejudices' and 'works a deep and scarring hardship … for no rational reason.'
"No rational reason? How about children? Isn't it clear that marriage provides the best environment for the development and nurturing of children? And isn't a child's development enhanced by having both a mother and a father?
"I believe that the Court got it wrong because it focused on the desires and perceived rights of adults.
"The Court should have focused on the needs of children. The ideal setting for the raising of a child is a home built on a marriage between a loving mother and father.
"Then came the 'slippery slope' – not the argument but the reality.
"The implications of the marriage decision quickly went well beyond adult marriage. Efforts were made to change birth certificates by removing 'mother' and 'father' and replacing them with 'parent A' and 'parent B.' I said no to that. And parents of a child in second grade were told that their son is required to listen to the reading of a book called the 'King and the King,' about a prince who marries another prince. The school's rationale was since same sex marriage was legal, the education system should advance the idea.
"And then another slide along the slippery slope. The Catholic Church was forced to end its adoption service, which was crucial in helping the state find homes for some of our most difficult to place children. Why? Because the Church favors placements in homes with a mother and a father. Now, even religious freedom was being trumped by the new-found 'right' of gay marriage. I immediately drafted and introduced legislation to grant religious liberty protection, but the legislature wouldn't even take it up.
"When I was Governor, we took every conceivable step within the law to stop, block or slow down this unprecedented court decision.
"Our goal was to take the decision away from the Court and give it back to the people. But yesterday, the Massachusetts state legislature, at the urging of the new Democratic Governor, refused to allow the voice of the people to be heard.
"The fight is not over.
"We need to take this battle to Washington again. We need to explain the far-reaching implications of the push to dramatically change our marriage laws. Now is the time to pass a federal marriage amendment to protect marriage in all 50 states.
"In the midst of that battle, another arose. It involved cloning and embryo farming for purposes of research. I studied the subject in great depth. I have high hopes for stem cell research. But for me, a bright moral line is crossed when we create new life for the sole purpose of experimentation and destruction.
"That's why I fought to keep cloning and embryo farming illegal.
"It was during this battle that I began to focus a good deal more of my thinking on abortion.
"When I first ran for office, while I was always personally opposed to abortion, I considered whether this should be a private decision or whether it should be a societal and government decision. I concluded that I would support the law as it was in place – effectively, the pro-choice position.
"And I was wrong.
"What became clear during the cloning debate is how the harsh logic of an absolute right to abortion had cheapened the value of human life to the point that rational people saw a human embryo as nothing more than mere research material to be used, and then destroyed.
"The slippery slope was taking us to racks and racks of living human embryos, Brave New World-like, awaiting termination.
"What some see as just a clump of cells is actually a human life. Human life has identity. Human life has the capacity to love and be loved. Human life has a profound dignity, undiminished by age or infirmity.
"My experience as Governor taught me firsthand that the threat to our culture is real and those in a position to do so must take action to defend it.
"Times of decision are moments of great clarity. Before I was Governor, the life issue was just that, an issue. But when responsibility for life or ending life was placed in my hands, I made the right decision. I chose life.
"Just like some others in the pro-life movement, a moment of decision became a defining moment.
"And so, every time I faced a decision as Governor that related to life, I came down on the side of life.
"I fought to ban cloning.
"I fought to ban embryo farming.
"I fought to define life as beginning at conception rather than at the time of implantation.
"I fought for abstinence education in our schools.
"And I vetoed a so-called emergency contraception bill that gave young girls abortive drugs without prescription or parental consent.
"That is my record as Governor of Massachusetts.
"Recently, I was attacked by one of my opponents because when I ran for Governor I promised to maintain the status quo with regards to laws relating to abortion in Massachusetts. Of course, I kept that promise. But in Massachusetts, that meant vetoing pro-choice legislation – as I consistently did as Governor. That's why last month I was honored with an award from Massachusetts Citizens for Life in recognition of the actions I took as Governor to protect life.
"The next president, especially if faced with a hostile Congress, will be confronted with many legislative tests, such as challenging the Hyde amendment and advancing cloning. You can be sure that I will be bringing my gubernatorial experience – and my veto pen – with me to Washington.
"The larger problem is there are some people who believe that their pro-choice views must be imposed on everyone. More and more, the vehicle for this imposition is the courts.
"Some say that it is 'OK' for the courts to impose their personal public policy preferences on society. I am not among them.
"Make no mistake: the claimed rights of abortion-on-demand and same-sex marriage are not in the Constitution.
"But the problem of an activist bench goes beyond the issue of abortion and gay marriage that.
"Slowly but surely, the courts have taken it upon themselves to be the final arbiters of our lives. They have forgotten that the essence of democracy is the right to govern ourselves.
"Chief Justice John Roberts put it best at his confirmation hearing, when he described the role of a judge. 'Judges and Justices are servants of the law,' he said, 'not the other way around. Judges are like umpires. Umpires don't make the rules, they apply them … and I will remember that it's my job to call balls and strikes and not to pitch or bat.'
"Now that's the type of Justice that I would appoint to the Court.
"On the tenth anniversary of Roe v. Wade, Ronald Reagan observed that the Court's decision had not yet settled the abortion debate. It had become 'a continuing prod to the conscience of the nation.'
"More than thirty years later, that is still the case. Numerous court decisions have not settled this question, but have further divided the nation. And Roe v. Wade continues to work its destructive logic throughout our society.
"This cannot continue.
"At the heart of American democracy is the principle that the most fundamental decisions should ultimately be decided by the people themselves.
"I certainly believe in treating all people with respect and dignity. You can't be a pro-life Governor in the bluest of blue states without understanding that there are heartfelt and thoughtful arguments on both sides of the question.
"It is our great task to persuade our fellow citizens of the truth of our convictions.
"Strengthening our country and our families, protecting marriage and human life and preserving for our children the true blessings of liberty; these are noble purposes. I am confident we are worthy of them.
"After all, we are a decent people who have a commitment to the worth and dignity of every person. This is ingrained in our hearts and etched in our national purpose.
What a great speach! Thanks Justin for posting the whole thing, well worth the read. I have always been impressed with his evolution towards protecting life publicly, but I'm glad he was able to so eloquently express his commitment to the cause to such a vital audience. Methinks he should get not a few taking people taking a closer look at him after this, with many more great speaches to come.
His [Romney's] campaign also released a longer clip from the same news conference: Indeed, in July 2005, a few weeks after the press conference, Mr. Romney vetoed an emergency contraception bill that would allow pharmacists to dispense the so-called morning-after pill without a prescription and require hospitals to make it available to rape victims.
He penned an op-ed for the Boston Globe to explain his decision, writing in part:
I understand that my views on laws governing abortion set me in the minority in our Commonwealth. I am pro-life. I believe that abortion is the wrong choice except in cases of incest, rape, and to save the life of the mother. I wish the people of America agreed, and that the laws of our nation could reflect that view. But while the nation remains so divided over abortion, I believe that the states, through the democratic process, should determine their own abortion laws and not have them dictated by judicial mandate.
Contradiction? I wrote about Romney's conversion for National Journal and came away with the impression that the Harvard incident began the process, rather than ended it -- that it took time before Romney fully came to realize that the pro-life position was correct.
Also, Romney has always claimed that, even after his personal revelation, he never went back on his promise to Massachusetts voters.
Me: What McCain’s camp fails to divulge is that Romney’s defense of the “status quo” in Massachusetts was actually a win for the pro-life movement. As Luo explains, it was in response to a veto of expanding stem cell research that Romney cited his promise to Massachusetts voters about abortion. He was denying the legislature the ability to increase stem cell research and abortion rights. Romney was a foil to liberal legislation in Massachusetts, not a co-conspirator in it. As usual, McCain is wrong.
The reality is that everyone in the GOP should just accept the fact that Giuliani is very pro-choice and that if he is elected, we can expect any progress made on the issues related to life to go the wayside. We could fairly expect him to expand federal funding of stem cell research, to approve cloning of embryos, to allow public funding for abortion, to allow late term abortions, and to appoint judges who care more about stare decisis than the Constitution. I am not a single-issue voter and would not advocate voting that way, but everyone who support Giuliani needs to come to grips with this basic fact. If you are okay with having a President who is on the same page as the democrats in Congress on these issues, no worries. If you want someone who will continue to stand up for these issues and who has a proven record of doing so, then My Man Mitt is the candidate for you.
Here is my problem with the abortion question and Rudy: the GOP is the Party that allows different views, right? I am pro-life, but this issue is starting to define the GOP too heavily. We are losing our way, I fear. Always remember, people do good, government does bad. To change abortion we have to change people, not government. So, as conservatives, we need to focus on getting back to basic Americanism. Let's shrink government. Save the social stuff for individuals.
Republican presidential candidate Rudy Giuliani in his campaign appearances this year has stated that he personally abhors abortion, even though he supports keeping a legal right to choose. But records show that in the '90s he contributed money at least six times to Planned Parenthood, one of the country's leading abortion rights groups and its top provider of abortions.
Governor Romney took some grief for giving a $250 donation to a Democrat... but I would say this is just a bit worse for the wear for Rudy. Hmmm... Deroy, any thoughts on this?
Here's one of my favorite ads from Planned Parenthood.
This is the kind of stuff I abhor. I hope the mayor does as well.
Someone should ask if, like Gov. Romney, he regrets his previous positions. Someone should ask if he regrets these contributions?
If I am treated poorly by an employee I leave and take my hard earned money elsewhere. I can't imagine giving money to a company that supports something I "HATE"
Rudy lied when he said he hated abortions. He said he would pay for his daughter to have one (this is documented). As mayor he CELEBRATED every single anniversary of Roe V Wade. We spoke at NARAL and Planned Parenthood events.
No reasonable person could ever believe Rudy HATES abortion.
Today’s Supreme Court decision today, Gonzales v. Carhart, emphasizes two things of political importance. First, and this was echoed in John McCain’s statement about the decision, is the importance of having the right judges on the Court. There is little doubt that the federal law in question would have been decided differently had Justice O’Connor still been on the Court. The additions of Justices Roberts and Alito were pivotal in, as Mitt stated today, “upholding a ban on a practice that offends basic human decency.” For GOP contenders, the easy conclusion is the need to appoint “strict constructionist” judges.
Is that the only conclusion? No. This case stemmed from Congress’ and the President’s pro-active decision to test previous abortion decisions through passing legislation, specifically the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act of 2003. Conservative legislators partnered with a conservative Executive to challenge the prevailing legal atmosphere through reasonable restrictions on abortion. Thus, the change brought about today was not purely a judicial phenomenon. The President had an important role in signing legislation that furthered his view on abortion. Had the President not been willing to sign such a bill, the current case would not have been brought, and thus the successful change in abortion law would not have occurred. Therefore, appointing “strict constructionist” judges is hardly sufficient for a Presidential candidate. A President who simply deferred to the judiciary would abdicate a pivotal role in bringing about appropriate changes in the law.
This is one reason why Romney’s statement below is so important.
I might suggest another reason why we continue to need leadership on this issue. I had previously remarked here that the decision, albeit a step forward, is a minor one.
While this decision seems largely the result of replacing Justice O'Connor with Justice Alito (she voted the other way in Carhart I), there is substantial evidence it isn't part of a larger landslide in the direction of life.
Neither of Bush 43's appointments joined the concurrence of Thomas and Scalia that, while supporting the majority opinion's result, maintained that the court's jurisprudence in Planned Parenthood v. Casey was flawed. In fact, the decision in Carhart II, affirms the central tenets laid out in Planned Parenthood v. Casey and relies on that reasoning.
While Justice Kennedy would probably maintain that the new decision applies the Casey decision in the way that it was intended. I find the fact that he voted for Casey troubling.
Which basically means, you have two people for supporting over turning Roe v. Wade (Thomas and Scalia), two people currently upholding Roe v. Wade but otherwise unknown (Roberts and Alito), and one member of the current majority who we know upholds Roe v. Wade (Kennedy).
Where does that put people like me who believe that Roe v. Wade has nothing to do with the Constitution and that states should be allowed to enact reasonable regulations of abortion?
We need a President like Mitt Romney who is on record as supporting that goal and who wants to protect life and appoint judges who will follow the Constitution and not the meanderings of misguided Justices.
It is a step forward, albeit a modest one. The Court had previously ruled that the partial birth abortion ban failed the Planned Parenthood v. Casey ruling because its ambiguity effectively result in a ban of all second term D&E procedures and there was no exception for the "health" of the mother. When they say health, they don't mean life of the mother, they mean, mental health or other helath conditions normally related to child birth.
The new law specified more clearly the intention to ban "intact" D&E's. Again, there was no exception for the health of the mother.
What this means is that a second trimester D&E can still be performed. As the dissenting opinion points out, "Nonintact D&E could equally be characterized as 'brutal,' involving as it does 'tear[ing] [a fetus] apart' and 'ripp[ing] off' its limbs. '[T]he notion that either of these two equally gruesome procedures ... is more akin to infanticide than the other, or that the State furthers any legitimate interest by banning one but not the other, is simply irrational.'" [Citations Omitted.]
So, I think Romney appropriately calls it a step forward. I am not satisfied though and I don't necessarily think it will save lives, as another Republican candidate suggested.
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